US media to Slovakia "why didn't you elect Dzurinda for a 3rd term as we told you, are you -errr hmmm errr- undemocratic or somefin?"

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US media to Slovakia "why didn't you elect Dzurinda for a 3rd term as we told you, are you -errr hmmm errr- undemocratic or somefin? What a crazy place no -democratic stability-, elections can actually be electing a party we did not endorse! You can't have just anybody getting elected, especially if they are errr popular with the people god forbid. Elections should elect errr the unpopular guys that suit our interests and speak english and support the war on terror, and stuff. what are you doing you commies electing a mildly left wing government after 8 years of a radically right wing one"


Well this below is another one of those articles that seem to have much more information about Poland and Hungary but nevertheless adds the Slovak electorate in for its audacity not to elect Dzurinda for a 3rd term... I read this and i have to say that i resent some of this analysis.
  1. Slovakia went through much bigger reforms than anybody else in such a small period of time. A rebalancing of the right wing reforms with some social modernisation and support are overdue, i agree that SNS and Meciar are awful electoral companions to do this with, but i doubt Fico is stupid, he is planning to give them almost no say in government, he needs them much less than they need him. I think he doesn't like them either, he is just ruthless and he thinks they will be more pliable in a coalition.
  2. Slovakia had Dzurinda in for 2 terms (8 years) and its now time to balance this with letting the left in for a while. unlike america in europe there are more political choices than the right or the very right... (democrats and republicans)... Its a system which allows for the people to be able to really change things with their votes rather than do cosmetic changes, shocking though this may seem to the US political culture, its a system called democracy where the people and not the lobbyists control the country !!shock!horror!! IT is arrogant to basically say that the left is not a legitimate political choice! Its also undemocratic.
  3. This article seems to analyse the neighbouring countries to Slovakia much better though. Maybe because the author is central/east eu or russian. There is good stuff in there but he seems to not be able to reach the logical conclusion. central europe is having upheavals as its transforming into something new at breakneck speed. You don't make omellette without breaking eggs...
  4. Fico's reign so far has been sensible, slovakia has good developments happening in its economy and there haven't been crazy policies like in Hungary. As much socialism as EU fiscal rules allow is a centrist policy i can easily live with, and this seems Fico's direction (smer :) my first slovak joke...) Anyway its corruption that worries me not Slovakia's attitude towards democracy.
  5. the slovak left has not evolved far enough yet, and Dzurinda was a tad too right wing, that is why he lost the elections. Another reason is that he never was/is a popular guy.
  6. The Wall Street Journal (in which the article below appeared originally) overall is written by a pathetic bunch of McCarthyist extreme moronic right morons, which makes conservative newspapers in europe look like radical socialistic ones... Most of the paper is unreadable for its one-sided coverage of the world, its a bit like Sky television news but in print... shudder at the thought... This article though is the least bad i ve seen there for a while...


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    Unpopular Democracy
    By Ivan Krastev

    Europe's best-kept secret is not that old Europe has second thoughts about the euro. Its best-kept secret is that new Europe has second thoughts about the merits of democracy. Of all the world's regions, Central Europe is most skeptical that it's the best form of government out there, according to "Voice of the People 2006," an international poll conducted by Gallup International in May.Not that Central Europeans dreamily hope for the return of communism or any other form of authoritarianism. But a large majority says their countries aren't run according to the will of the people. Almost two-thirds of the publics in the eight recent EU entrants from the region plus Bulgaria and Romania judge that elections in their countries have not been free and fair. Surprised at how post-communist societies have soured on politics? Don't be. Recent events in Poland, Slovakia and Hungary show that the people there have a point.

    Poland sent the first warning signal that strange doings were afoot. Last fall, the Law and Justice Party — led by the identical twins Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski — swept into the presidency (held by Lech) and the government (in which Jaroslaw is prime minister) promising a moral revolution against cronyism and the gap between winners and losers that they blamed on post-communist elites.

    As it turned out, the Kaczynskis' radicalism was directed more at rewriting the past than at solving the problems of the present. The enemies of choice turned out to be not so much the former communists who lost power last year, or bad governance, but the "liberal" media, the independent Central Bank and the European Union. The twins' year in power has been marked by an addiction to conspiracy theories and the return of nationalistic rhetoric. Listening to the new Polish leaders, you get the feeling that World War II isn't over.

    On Friday, resisting pressure for more social spending, the prime minister expelled the Self-Defense party from the government. The prospect that the Peasant Party will join the coalition isn't inspiring. So the Polish public will be stuck either with early elections that offer an unappetizing menu of parties or a more unstable government. Is it any wonder that Poles are losing their enthusiasm for democracy?

    The Slovak elections earlier this summer were next. For the last eight years, Slovakia has been Europe's favorite success story. It introduced a flat tax, managed to attract more foreign investment (per capita) than any other former communist country and get into NATO and the EU, all the while making the world forget about its flirtation with authoritarian populism early on in its life as a free state. Or so we thought, until in June voters returned to power the nationalist parties that had turned Slovakia into a beer-swilling Belarus in the 1990s. Not such a happy ending, after all.

    Now in Hungary, thousands are on the streets demonstrating and burning cars. The largest protests there since communism fell in 1989 were triggered by a leaked tape of Hungarian Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany addressing top Socialist Party officials in May. In his speech, he admitted that the party had consistently deceived the public about the state of the economy to win re-election the previous month. It is hard to ask Hungarian, or any, voters to make sacrifices and endorse an austerity package, as Gyurcsany wants them to, when their prime minister is deliberately trying to deceive them about the state of the economy.

    So it's not surprising that so many in Central Europe think democracy doesn't work for them. The pressure of the new globalized world has sharply divided societies between winners and losers. After decades of grim stability, people in the region have to get used to permanent insecurity. The last decade was also an age of comparisons. People weren't satisfied with living better than yesterday; they wanted to live like those in most developed countries.
    The process of joining the EU changed the nature of these fledgling democratic systems for the worse. Governments preferred to consult on their policy agendas with Brussels, not voters. The outcome is that the dividing line between left and right has been blurred and the only real divide left is between "the corrupt elite" and "the people." The fact that the winners in the new system turned out to be the old party apparatchiks and secret police collaborators also did not contribute to the legitimacy of the new order in Central Europe.

    The tragedy is that voters are forced to choose between so-called reformers, who are not so secretly becoming anti-democratic, and the populist movements that are openly anti-reformist and anti-liberal. If you are a voter in the new European democracies you can either opt for a "Gyurcsany cocktail" — mix "noble lies" with neglect for public concerns while fulfilling the EU's dictums — or for the "populist cocktail" of anti-communism, nationalism, cultural conservatism and excessive social spending.

    Brussels faces a bad choice, too. Demonizing populists is easy but dangerous. Populist movements are ugly and anti-liberal. In truth, though, they represent not an attack on democracy but a demand for democracy. Europe's attempt to punish populists, to isolate them and to endorse "reformers" like Gyurcsany, will only increase the public's mistrust of both the EU and the democratic process.

    Ignoring the current moral and political crisis in Central Europe will not work either. Populist parties don't simply oppose the existing elites; they oppose the very consensuses that made the EU possible: a rejection of nationalism and economic protectionism, political tolerance and moderation. But old Europe can't be too critical of the newcomers when economic protectionism and populism is thriving in its half of the continent as well.

    What Central Europe needs today is not just reformist policies but reformist politics. It is not enough for governments to implement reform policies; they should make an effort to get the people on board. The time when it was enough to say that "we are doing it because of the EU" and expect the people to buy it is over. Without more respect for the demands of the voters, Europe risks falling victim to more populist primitivism, and faces hard days ahead.
    Ivan Krastev is chairman of the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, Bulgaria. This comment was published in the The Wall Street Journal.

5 comments:

  1. It sounds like the European Socialists have a serious problem with Slovakia's new coalition government.

    http://www.slovakradio.sk/inetportal/rsi/core.php?page=showSprava&id=3554&lang=2

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  2. It looks like European socialists have serious concerns about Slovakia's new coalition government.

    http://www.slovakradio.sk/inetportal/rsi/core.php?page=showSprava&id=3554&lang=2

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  3. actually less and less so. one thing needs to be clearm Meciar and Slota are appaling people but they dont seem to have more than cosmetic influence

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  4. What do Slota and Meciar want?

    Slota wants a punch up with the SMK. Meciar wants Lexa cleared. Neither of them wants a Special Court that they might appear in front of. Both of them want quick benefits for their voters.

    Are they getting what they want? Indubitably. So how can you say they have no influence?

    Fico might consign those two personalities to the dustbin of history but I'd say he's rather fond of their policies

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  5. First of all Fico cannot govern alone, his experience in the previous election was that a party with only 5% at the elections got its leader elected prime minister (Dzurinda). Slovak political rules, like the Czech ones, encourage coalition forming, which in many ways shuns the 2 party-states of countries like US, UK.

    Fico had to compromise, and he did, KDH made it very difficult to form a coalition. I suspect that Fico dislikes the Hungarians and SMK maybe not as SNS but he didnt want the in government as he sees them as a force with a great hungarian reunification agenda. Unfortunately young democracies produce rather strange characters until they settle and get richer. The point was and remains that the general direction of the country is not significantly altered like its happenning in Hungary or even poland with much stranger political beings formed and in government.

    I fear there is going to be rampant corruption though, particularly Harabin.

    Much will also depend on the character of Fico, if he is a relatively pompous control freak as i think he is he will continuously restrict SNS and Meciar which in a way negates their bad influence on policy. In a cynical way Lexa on the loose is preferable to Meciar gaining influence over something that really matters in Slovakia's future.

    I share you feelings but its the least bad option under the circumstances.


    As for Lexa and Meciar, i would love to know what is going on it seems that Lexa knows things about Meciar and now he is blackmailing Meciar to get him off the hook. One day this will all come out but when...

    Despite the disservice to justice and the very disturbing faces in government, Fico has too much to lose from not forming a broad based center left formation with the potential to be a fixture in Slovak politics for many decades.
    Corruption linked to his party or this coalition partners might destroy Fico so hopefully Fico will spend most of the time policing the 2 partners.

    The coalition system undoubtedly it creates less stability and predictability, but overall it is more democratic, and public discourse is richer especially good in a country with an orwellian secretive political life under communism.

    Now as for Slota and Meciar, the only people that can consign them to the dustbin of history are the Slovak people, Slota got 11+ % in this election whereas Meciar is in terminal decline. Together these people represent almost a quarter of all votes... Usually the neglected the old and the needy who will vote for anybody that will raise their meagre pensions.

    What Dzurinda and Miklos represent is without a doubt the correct way forward for the country, but their zeal at cutting the benefits smacked of an ideological aversion to the poor who form a large part of the Slovak people. Its almost as if they arrogantly wanted to create a new non-inclusive slovakia. Particularly smacking a 19£ tax on food and heating that all people have to pay no matter how poor is grossly unfair and Dickensian. Dzurinda is not popular and became prime minister by mistake. He ruled as if he had a massive mandate, but now his artificially by the book leadership didn't reflect the priorities of the people. and he got punished for that, its a shame, but Fico did win a good argument that Slovakia should not try to be like Britain and that that model of capitalism in a poor country is morally bankrupt.

    If Fico tries to stick to the sensible policies announced so far Slovakia will be intact after his rule.

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